OK thanks yall . i should have thought of that, just get longer rods .. i was surf fishing at Holden yesterday and i though it would be nice to throw a lot further just to see what i would catch . i fish from 5:00pm in till dark yesterday and caught 2 whiteys, 3 blow fish, 2 sharks , 1 stingray and 8 blues .. I just do it for fun any way. my kids are playing my wife is laying out and i'm fishing ... fish ain't biting then i'm playing too.. LOL