NCDMF Presentation at Southern Flounder AC Jan 9th- Sustainable Harvest Calculations
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    Default NCDMF Presentation at Southern Flounder AC Jan 9th- Sustainable Harvest Calculations

    THE PROBLEM



    THE SOLUTIONS










    DO NOTHING and FLOUNDER DISAPPEAR IN ABOUT TWENTY YEARS




    DO SOMETHING TO MEET STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS




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    Did they make any recommendations or decisions? Are we talking about closed flounder seasons for several years? Commercial and recreational?
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    "They" already reduced rec limits by 33%, what else do they want? How about look at other states and see what they are doing....ie open their eyes to the commercial side.

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    Simple answer is to end gill net fishing in coastal water. Any action that ensures overfished species increases is a plus. Be forewarned that suits will be filed based on the "Right to Fish" constitutional amendment, however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris52 View Post
    Did they make any recommendations or decisions? Are we talking about closed flounder seasons for several years? Commercial and recreational?
    It's my understanding that the DMF staff will present the full problem with management options to the MFC at the February 20-22 meeting. The location of that meeting has not been announced. In past years, that meeting would be held in the Wilmington area. It is possible that it will be held in a more central location this year- New Bern, Jacksonville, Morehead. The issue is a venue large enough for the meeting that is still not closed due to Florence damage.

    Yes- in the slides above the "moratorium' is a complete closure for both the recreational and commercial sectors. The DMF didn't say for how long but the indication was several years. The other option is a catch reduction in the 70% range for all sectors to meet the 2 year and 10 year requirements to end overfishing and rebuild the stock so that it is not overfished with a spawning stock biomass at or above the target. It's possible that the MFC could vote for a 52% reduction which would put recovery above the threshold but below the target.

    One rumor floating around about what a 70% reduction would look like is- a one fish recreational limit with a 40 day season.

    The commercial sector reduction will be driven by pounds reported under the trip ticket program.

    An unknown and concern is how they will address the gig fishery where there are a lot of guys with commercial licenses that may not be reporting landing under the trip ticket program.

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    Gigging is a major problem around Wrightsville Beach. It will be very difficult to reduce flounder take. Gigging is an entrenched tradition here and any efforts to curtail the take will be met with great resistance.

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    The solution that will be the easiest to enforce would be a complete moratorium (both in harvest and gear ie gillnets). I do not trust the trip ticket program at all to compile accurate data. The DMF continues to utterly fail at their job. It is embarrassing.
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    Close it...fine. ill buy a $35 SC license and give them my money instead.

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    As long as we allow the gov to take it away from us then rest assured they will keep doing it. I saw more flounder this past year than the past several years. The Division of Marine Fisheries has kept adding restrictions after restrictions for the past 15 years going from 11 inch min to 12 inch min, to 13 inch min and now a 14 inch min and now a possible no possession for anyone. Think its pretty obvious they don't have a freeking clue or do not have a handle on the real cause of the problems. Maybe its far past time to try some stock enhancement for those years that nature comes along and throws us a curve ball. One also has to wonder if SC with its much smaller size limits for flounder as well as GA have played a part in the overall stock being in trouble? Gotta wonder also if encouraging spear fishermen and other fishermen to go out to the ocean near shore reefs to catch these flounder has had an adverse effect. THE DMF was warned several years ago that these large mature southern flounder were staying out all year around these reefs where they were basically out of harms way from recs and commercials alike and did absolutely nothing to stop the targeting of these fish. Back when the flounder management plan was in its infancy the advisory committee was informed about these ocean flounder and were told that these very same flounder could be the reason that NC inside waters had relatively good recruitment of flounder each year even though this species was being heavily overfished. BUt not a darn thing was done to try and discourage the targeting of these ocean flounder. ANd now we are all facing the possibility of a no possession and one has to wonder since SC and GA is part of the problem does this apply to those fishermen as well.

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