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    Good to know! I'd rather have more opinions than not enough. Yes, it makes it a little more difficult to choose equipment but at least I have a few personal, well-meaning, and first-hand accounts on said equipment.

    I may try and sneak out tomorrow and go to the two places I mentioned earlier.
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    That should have been, ĒPersonally, I stick to the rated line weight.Ē Anyway, the main thing is to get a basic outfit and start practicing. Read a lot of magazine articles, watch a lot of YouTube videos, and practice, practice, practice. Find a good coach and a good fly angler who will let you try out some of his/her rods and reels. If all else fails, get yourself down to Oak Island sometime and I will be glad to let you play with my arsenal. Thatís what I let members of our Fly Fishing Club do to keep them from getting junk or paying more than they need to pay for good stuff. Like NC Tribute, I have a batch of rods from the very, very good to the nice and moderately priced, to cheap but good, to cheap and it shows. Yeah, Iím a gear hound but it sure can help newcomers to the sport. You donít have to by 43 rods to get the right one for you. I donít have everything but I have enough for me, though someone said if you know how many fly rods or shotguns you have, you donít have enough.

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    Visiting Joe Schute today. Chatted with him a bit and let him I'm just getting into fly fishing. After speaking with him, I'm leaning toward purchasing a rod and reel from him rather than something I know nothing about. Would rather get the wisdom of a man who has decades of experience under his belt and who I can go to for advice/assistance if needed.
    I'm looking at a TFO BVK or a TFO Pro II rod (9' 8wt) paired with a Redington Behemoth reel with intermediate sinking saltwater SA or RIO line.
    Any one have any objections or issues to any of those?
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    TFO BVK is a fast action rod, I really like mine, the only thing it maybe does not do real well with is short casts. It is the one rod I am using a redfish tapered line with. The BVK pretty much dominates the best bang for your buck award in tests and reviews in the 8 wt. The other thing is they are known to be a little fragile, but also has a great warranty for the price point. Most light rods with low swing weight will be on the fragile side, so would not be too concerned.
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    If it wasn't raining/storming today when we stopped in, I would have asked if I could try some out. I still plan to do so before purchasing, but was unable to test them today. As soon as we left, it cleared up and became sunny... typical NC weather.

    Seems as though the TFO BVK and Mangrove rods are pretty similar and have the same price tag. Would you go with one over the other or would the BVK be the better all-around rod between the two?

    Sorry for asking so many questions!
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    I have never touched a Mangrove, so have no input. Try them out and see what ‘fits’ you best.
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    I am on the road with my wife visiting our sons, their wives, and our granddaughters so I am following you on my cell phone and iPad. Even though it is not in this thread, I am aware of your good visit with Joe Schuster and NC Tributeís response.
    First, whenever possible, support a local fly shop and make friends with the owner and staff. Any extra you pay for the products (if any) will be more than offset by the wisdom they will share with you. You canít get that on-line or from a big box store.
    Second, I have a batch of TFO BVKs, and couple of TFO Pro II, and a Mangrove (8-wt.) as well as an Impact 9-wt. So I have a lot of experience with TFO. I have so many of them because of their price and casting. I stuck a Pro II into a fan blade so it is now a 8í9Ē and not a 9í rod (a 7-wt. 2 piece that I love). I helped a friend make a TFO BVK 8-wt. that he broke by high sticking. TFO had a replacement part back in no time flat. I often think their reputation for breaking is based in no small measure because so many guides use them because of their price and TFOís quick service. In the hands of less experienced anglers, they will tend to get broken. I have loaned two nice Orvis rods to friends who broke them. Who knows?
    The BVK was designed by Bernard V (Lefty) Kreh while the Mangrove was designed by Flip Pallot. I remember reading that Lefty once (at least) said than any fly rod that costs more than $200 is better than 95% of the anglers who will use it. So try them all out and see what fits better. It may be hard to tell. But that is OK. None of these rods are duds.
    I will say about the reel the same as I said about the Orvis Clearwater, it is a stamped/pressed reel so can bend or crack when dropped. I have the Lamson version of this type of reel, have dropped it once, and have a 1/4Ē section of the rim of the spool missing. It has sharp edges where it broke that will make it hard to hand brake. I do like machined reels. But Redingtonís reel has gotten rave reviews and the price is right. Again, get it and use it as a back-up or practice reel once you decide you like fly fishing and Mama says you can put a bit more money into a machined reel.
    Intermediate line is really good line. Several experts have written that if they could have only one outfit, they would get a 9í 9-wt. with intermediate line. Intermediate line is very slow sinking. It is great to use in the surf since it will sink below the surface. It will work in the wind since it is a bit heavier than floating line. But two things to remember, cast it a bit differently from floating line. I can it a horseshoe cast since you start with a side arm back cast that you turn into an overhand forward cast. Like with sinking line, you donít want the line to have to stop before moving forward- that puts tremendous stress on the rod. By going sidearm to overhand means that the tip of the line never stops and changes direction. It moves in a giant curve and never stops. Second, with floating flies, the line will sink so you will have to get the line to the surface before making a cast. You bring it up by stripping and then use as many roll casts as you need to get the line and fly to the surface before making your horseshoe cast. Bottom line, get a second spool with intermediate and your primary spool with floating line. But then Joe Schute has caught more fish with a fly rod than I have caught in my dreams. So donít ignore what he says. But I still use floating line 95% of the time.
    By the time this is over, you are going to have a Ph.D. In fly fishing. The main thing is to get an outfit and start using it. Then read all the articles you can find, watch YouTube Videos by the score, and get some good catalogues from Feather Craft and other fly shops and begin to see what this sport is all about. But your own experience will be the best guide to what you need. The point is, you donít need to cast like Lefty or Flip or Joe or Whitefish 115. You need to cast the way that suits you and works for you. You can learn to cast well enough to catch fish in 20 minutes but it will take a lifetime to make you an expert. Lefty, in his 90s when he died, still said he learned something new every day. So welcome to the club of the hopelessly addicted to a marvelous sport. The best part is itís better than golf unless you have figured out a way to cook a golf ball.
    And I will say again, the hardest thing for me about fly fishing is remembering how easy it is. If some part of your body hurts when you practice or it you get sore from practice, you are doing it wrong. TRying to figure out what you are doing wrong will take some time. But a fly rod will let you know if youíre not doing it properly.
    Tight lines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pez2385 View Post
    I was looking at this line: https://www.orvis.com/p/hydros-saltw...l-rounder/2ash Figured it'd be a good starting line to go with but I'll take a peek at the SA, Airflo, and RIO lines.

    My next question would have been, is there a fly shop or instructor around the Jacksonville, Morehead, Wilmington area? I just sent Bob Schute an e-mail about instruction. There is another place, "Pogie's" in Swansboro that I'll probably be wandering over to in the next week or so.

    I'm glad I asked for advice here before diving in as I'd be getting into this completely blind. Thank you guys again for everything!
    While you might have a difficult time finding Joe Shute available, Pogies is closer and they are pretty much in tune with equipment for the area you fish. They also have several folks who can offer instruction. Demo as many as you can but be careful.....it can lead to a never ending addiction.

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    Whitefish,
    Biggest reason I want to buy from a store is the experience, advice, and wisdom the shop can give. As easy as it is to purchase online I think making that personal connection to a shop will pay dividends down the road.
    I've read the BVK has a tendency to break because it's a smaller rod as it's a faster rod than the Mangrove. I'll get with Joe and see if I can cast both of them to feel the difference. I think I'm at least down to the TFO BVK, Mangrove, or Orvis Clearwater.
    The reel is a different story. I'm still pretty undecided on it. Joe recommends a Redington Behemoth and just rinse it well and let it air dry post trip. But I feel I should get a machined, sealed reel, of which, there are lots of choices in the same price range such as the Orvis Battenkill Disc (as you recommended) or the Orvis Hyrdos and a few others I was looking at yesterday.


    fishn,
    I saw Pogies and we were going to stop in there Friday but, being Swansboro, we didn't find any parking nearby and had the kiddo (and almost naptime) so we left. I haven't gotten back over there yet. But I do plan to swing by there one of these days to chat with them as well. I totally expect an addiction to come from this.
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    BVK is great in 8 wt. The BVK reel is good, too. I use mine a lot for tailing reds, spanish mackerel, and early season albies. And Joe's a great guy.

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    Buying a fancy fly rod thinking that you're gonna cast like a pro is a lot like buying some Air Jordans thinking you're gonna be ballin like a pro. I'd use what you already have and save your money for an epic trip of some sort

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    Quote Originally Posted by zebralips View Post
    Buying a fancy fly rod thinking that you're gonna cast like a pro is a lot like buying some Air Jordans thinking you're gonna be ballin like a pro. I'd use what you already have and save your money for an epic trip of some sort
    Understand the sentiment and the reasoning, but I have bamboo rods from the 60’s, a Fenwick rod and a Cabelas’ rod from the 70’s that all will catch fish, but are not nearly as pleasurable to use as my newer rods. It is not like he is looking to buy a Loomis Asquith and a Mako Reel, he is looking at the range of equipment that provides good performance at a reasonable price, a very realistic and good decision in my view.
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    Joe Shute will steer you right. Also, ask for Dallas at Pogies in Swansboro. Great guy and excellent fly fisherman.

    I also recommend the Cape Lookout Flyfishers club (MHC). Dues are pretty low and you'll have the opportunity to meet some of the best fly fishers in our area. They meet monthly, they sponsor annual casting and fly tying clinics, and they have a casting pond open to members where you can probably get some hands on instruction.

    There are tons of good choices for entry level fly outfits nowadays, and the products mentioned above are all on track. Since Colton came up, I'll put up a strong testimonial. I own three of his fly reels and one of his Slipstream rods (a 6 Wt.) The rod is inexpensive, but quite good. The reels are off the charts and are in my opinion the best value for a SW fly reel that you can find. Customer service is superb. His Slipstream rods run about $180 and his CRG II reels about $170. For a fully machined aluminum reel with an excellent drag, you just cannot find a better value in a saltwater ready reel. I'd also take a hard look at TFO. Great products, great values with an outstanding warranty policy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zebralips View Post
    Buying a fancy fly rod thinking that you're gonna cast like a pro is a lot like buying some Air Jordans thinking you're gonna be ballin like a pro. I'd use what you already have and save your money for an epic trip of some sort
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    bmac,
    I'll get over to Pogies this week and chat with Dallas, thanks for a name of an employee to ask for, much appreciated.

    I'll take a look at the Cape Lookout Fly Fisher's club when I get a chance (already bookmarked it for later use).

    I was looking at the Colton rods. If I went with one I'd probably go with a Tradewinds 9' 8wt as it would fit the budget and still be the size I'm looking for. I was seriously looking at the CRG II reels. But I think I've come to the decision I'll go with a local shop and what they can get, or have.

    I also started looking into the Redington series and came across the Rise. Good reviews on it, and seems like a solid SW reel. I'll see what Joe has to say and his recommendations.

    I do like the warranty TFO carries on their equipment, definitely a high priority for me.
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