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    As we all know by now, flounder fishing is being banned come August 23d, because of a decline in the stocks of the southern flounder. My question is, why are they banning all flounder fishing? The summer flounder and Gulf flounder are doing ok, with the summer flounder listed as abundant. Is it just because folks don't know the difference?
    Sounds to me like that's the case. I confirmed all three are involved by calling the NCWRC in Raleigh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerry condrey View Post
    As we all know by now, flounder fishing is being banned come August 23d, because of a decline in the stocks of the southern flounder. My question is, why are they banning all flounder fishing? The summer flounder and Gulf flounder are doing ok, with the summer flounder listed as abundant. Is it just because folks don't know the difference?
    Sounds to me like that's the case. I confirmed all three are involved by calling the NCWRC in Raleigh.
    You're right. NC does not distinguish between the separate species when it comes to regulations. Flounder is flounder in NC. Seems like counting spots or noticing their configuration is too much for the average fisherman, so they lump them all together. Best scenario given all species are in our waters.

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    I thought the closure was put on hold for now?



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    Here is the proposed bill from June that States they will vote this month between the 21st-23rd
    http://portal.ncdenr.org/web/mf/nr-45-2019-flounder

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    Main reason is most people... Me included could not distinguish btween the 3 species good. I have looked at photos compared etc But they all seem to run together after awhile. And a no keep rule keeps a lot of argument out of it when wild life checks you.
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    After the debacle over the red wolf restoration, where the species was recovering, then the USFWS and the NCWRC shrunk their habitat by 80%, I don't have too much faith in either body to do the right thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerry condrey View Post
    After the debacle over the red wolf restoration, where the species was recovering, then the USFWS and the NCWRC shrunk their habitat by 80%, I don't have too much faith in either body to do the right thing.
    How did they shrink the red wolf habitat?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoaldonkey View Post
    How did they shrink the red wolf habitat?
    They took the red wolf's protected status away everywhere except the Alligator River Refuge, an area of 160,000 acres. That's the only place where they are afforded protection. This comes on the heels of a report that scientists have proven the red wolf is a viable species unto itself.
    There are less than 30 roaming wild now. There were 135 just ten years ago. It has been proven they drive out or kill coyotes too.
    Just shows how stupid people can be..

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    They sure did. Alligator River NWR is right up the road from me. The wolves also got Pocosin Lakes NWR which is literally right out my back door; giving them about 300k acres total- so maybe 450+ square miles just wasn't enough...so they fled the NWR's in search for more fruitful game opportunities on private land. Both of those refuges are a great place to check out a bear or a snow goose, but they are veritable wastelands for game. Mostly pocosin and bay; with the exception of the Pungo Unit, there isn't much in the way of game for a red wolf.
    And a viable species??... They don't run off coyotes, they interbreed with them. There isn't a red wolf in the wild that doesn't have coyote genes coursing through its DNA. Great idea at the time, but a failed effort... There was nothing more cool than hearing them howling every evening, but the idea of Red Wolf introduction is dead. I'd suggest you do some more research, maybe pick up Dan Flores book; Coyote America. The 135 you speak of was because of intensive reintroduction and before the colossal coyote boom and interbreeding we have now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoaldonkey View Post
    They sure did. Alligator River NWR is right up the road from me. The wolves also got Pocosin Lakes NWR which is literally right out my back door; giving them about 300k acres total- so maybe 450+ square miles just wasn't enough...so they fled the NWR's in search for more fruitful game opportunities on private land. Both of those refuges are a great place to check out a bear or a snow goose, but they are veritable wastelands for game. Mostly pocosin and bay; with the exception of the Pungo Unit, there isn't much in the way of game for a red wolf.
    And a viable species??... They don't run off coyotes, they interbreed with them. There isn't a red wolf in the wild that doesn't have coyote genes coursing through its DNA. Great idea at the time, but a failed effort... There was nothing more cool than hearing them howling every evening, but the idea of Red Wolf introduction is dead. I'd suggest you do some more research, maybe pick up Dan Flores book; Coyote America. The 135 you speak of was because of intensive reintroduction and before the colossal coyote boom and interbreeding we have now.
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    This is driven by the NC-DMF (Division of Marine Fisheries) and not the Wildlife Resources Commission.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crappie89 View Post
    This is driven by the NC-DMF (Division of Marine Fisheries) and not the Wildlife Resources Commission.
    Thanks for that info..
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    Quote Originally Posted by crappie89 View Post
    This is driven by the NC-DMF (Division of Marine Fisheries) and not the Wildlife Resources Commission.
    Hey Crappie: Sorry for being a technical nit picker, but it's actually the Marine Fisheries Commission appointed by the Governor. Most of NC DMF and the Director are against the closure, but DMF is bound by current law to follow the recommendations of the Commission. That said, this fight is probably far from over. If the MFC votes to close down flounder fishing (comm & rec) then there may be a lawsuit or the General Assembly might get involved. It will be interesting to see what happens. I'm personally OK with the closure if that will help to restore the stock. Strangely enough, this year Southern Flounder seem more abundant than the last couple of years. But the stock assessment is what it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmac View Post
    Hey Crappie: Sorry for being a technical nit picker, but it's actually the Marine Fisheries Commission appointed by the Governor. Most of NC DMF and the Director are against the closure, but DMF is bound by current law to follow the recommendations of the Commission. That said, this fight is probably far from over. If the MFC votes to close down flounder fishing (comm & rec) then there may be a lawsuit or the General Assembly might get involved. It will be interesting to see what happens. I'm personally OK with the closure if that will help to restore the stock. Strangely enough, this year Southern Flounder seem more abundant than the last couple of years. But the stock assessment is what it is.
    That's not quite true. The commission voted to enact the closure originally proposed by the Division staff. The closure and timeline came directly from DMF. Advisory councils voted to accept the Division's recommendations. And to say the director is against the closure is stating the obvious. He's against anything that restores fish stocks at the expense of the commercial interests. It's status quo all over again...



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    We all take from the same resource. Not trying to start an argument but recreational release has a pretty high survival rate. Not so for gill net or trawlers. Gill nets do have a certain mesh size. But any fish caught is gonna die. Trawlers have an almost zero survival rate for anything that is caught. If forage fish or game fish are taken out of the system in quantity at a small size, recreational size limits and restrictions are a moot point. I know several commercial fishermen and have no beef with it. As long as the rules are applied equally for all and show real improvement in the stocks, I'm ok with it. But I have never seen how just one species of flounder became over fished. Do they always overlap or are the ones of concern hit really hard in just part of their range. If so, then that's where the restrictions should be applied.
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