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\nThere was a good deal on some Mastery GPX scientific angler line so I ordered one to replace my Rio but upon receiving it, the neon green color hit me. I know I see a lot of rods rigged with bright fly lines and they hold value in when indicating a take. When compared to the army green on my old line it seems to me the bright colored line might spook fish and be much less subtle.
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\nHas anyone experience this, avoid bright lines for this reason, or use them as they offer better indication of a take?
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    \r\n Good question. Iíve always wondered why people use neon green or orange lines. And, there have certainly been times when I thought I wish I was using a brightly colored line (but canít recall an exact time).
    \nMy dry fly line is army green. Pretty hard to see (by me). But I figure if people worry about lining fish from false casting, the why the hell would I use a neon line? Like I said itís my ďdry fly lineĒ...but itís also my nymphing line, but Iíll fish a dry fly to my utter demise until I totally give in and stick a nymph under it.
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    \nI do have pretty bright green line on my 3 wt small stream line, but I figure in such close quarters in small water I can manage just putting leader over where it needs to be.
    \nAnyway, Iím just rambling at this point, and Iím a subpar angler and plenty of fish have been caught on neon lines...but interesting question.\r\n
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    \r\n For most fishing applications, that bright fly line will not spook fish with a leader of appropriate length. It can actually be an advantage sometimes as you can more easily track your drift and see a take. Exceptions would be technical dry fly fishing, especially in still or slow moving water or spring creeks or if you were saltwater flats fishing. In those cases, a more neutral color or clear line are far preferable.\r\n
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    \r\n Not sure the color really has that much to do with it. If a fish is attracted to neon green or orange flies, why would the same color line spook them? I think unnatural movement is what spooks them and when false casting the movement or the shadow of the line. I mostly saltwater fish and have caught fish in clear water and light colored bottom with a dark colored line and in dark colored bottom with light colored line. I do have some clear tip lines, but what is interesting is the rest of the line is bright yellow.
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    \nSome waters and/or fish are finicky, where line color may make difference. But likely these are the exception, not the rule.\r\n
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    \r\n Thanks for the thoughts bmac and NC tribute. I only have the one 4 wght to fish western NC so itís all purpose and season, but I usually only use leader essentially and have some 12í tied up so sounds like Iíll be ok there.
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    \nAs for the do I think the line color maters for fish caring. I do think the brighter color can impact its visibility and therefore increase the chance that movement, which I agree spooks fish, is more apparent. Similar to how we use hotspots to increase attention to flies, I think the unnatural color could cause the increase in attention. But have heard this argument with fishermanís clothes both ways as well.
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    \nI still Carry my blast orange had for hunters as recommended by another member of the forum regardless of if I think it impacts the fishing.
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    \r\n I have always preferred lines to match my clothes on a stream. (Camo, drab greens and browns). Nowadays, it seems like drab lines that I like are hard to find, so the bright peach Cortland 444 Classic, and nearly all the Rio\'s with that garish bright yellow or peach, have been doing the duty. I haven\'t really noticed a difference in spooking fish, even in Desperation Hole in the Davidson. Like BMAC said, if you cast from a proper angle and manage your distance, the line should be well out of sight of the fish. Think "angles"... (I think at that point, how hard the line splashes down becomes more important than the color).
    \nDespite all that, I would really much prefer drab lines for freshwater fishing. (Can\'t speak much for saltwater flyfishing- still barely have my feet wet on that one). Just personal preference, and if it DOES make a difference to a trout, I\'d rather err on the side of caution. 🙂\r\n
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    \r\n My suspicion is the lighter color of some neon lines might actually make them less visible to fish under clear water, bluebird sky conditions (ie spooky fish weather). Yes, it\'s easier for us to see a bright line against the dark water, but the fish are looking at it against a bright sky. Those "camo" lines with their dark silhouette against a sunny sky probably are gonna be plenty visible.\r\n
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    \r\n I think the fish see enough sticks in the water floating by that another camo colored stick floating by is no big deal...that\'s always been my reasoning. But as I say, I haven\'t noticed any difference in catch rates between drab lines and bright lines, coldwater or warm. Do it right, and the fish should never see the fly line anyway.
    \nI thought it more interesting to hear (especially big game fishers) that some people use leaders and tippet in the 30-50 class range. Curious, I asked a Rio rep what the breaking strength of fly line core was, and he said it\'s typically 25 pound. Why in the world would someone not use a bite or class tippet less than the fly line? I\'d rather loose a $5.00 leader than a $50.00(+) fly line! Inquiring minds want to know! 🙂\r\n
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    \nFor the stick imitation theory, I noticed there are frequently plants ( looks light light green monkey grass) on and around the bank full area and mid or point bars that are similar to the bright green color line I just bought. Slightly different profile. So Iím leaning toward color might not matter for most of the waters I fish for trout.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Dylar View Post
      The key is that fish are looking up into the light, not down into the darkness. How strong a silhouette the line cuts is more important than the color, and darker, neutral colored lines definitely have a more distinct silhouette.
      Always the contrarian!!! Hah

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