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I don't want the gov't to think that I will ever give up my guns without me doing something to deserve it first. I saw a quote on a t-shirt at the gun show the other weekend and I thought that it was pretty smart.

"If guns kill people, then spoons made Rosie O'donnel fat"

Education almost always creates better results than just saying no.
 

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Our guns are as important to us as our fishin... consider my vote place'd!








Ya know.. I got a funny look a couple/few weeks ago for lettin my boy take a pocket knife to cub scouts (Swiss Army - w/ tooth pick, scissors, tweezers, file and a one inch blade knife) from my WIFE!! She's like,, he cant have a pocket knife!! I said you're crazy...! I wont allow him to take it to school, but I believe every boy scout should be deserving of the right to have a pocket knife in his pocket and know the proper use of it.

Like everything else... we can't cut our kids loose on stuff without "teaching" them right/wrong.. be it a gun to hunt with, a pocket knife to use in the woods, or how to properly handle sharp fish hooks and how to gut and clean fish.... And if the liberty gets abused, the privelage gets taken away along with a reprimand of the importance of safety and some re-teaching if necessary.

Like I told my son, it takes a bigger man to walk away from a fight, but then again.. you dont have to stand there and take it neither. I dont teach him to fight, but he has the discipline to know how to defend himself.

Gun ownership is an American right and Tradition and to lose our weapons.... for whatever purpose... I just couldnt imagine that or want to...
You dont have to be a anti gun or pro gun person to see that importance of Americana.

Here's a quote I like:

Bullet's dont kill people, big gaping wounds to vital organs do

but seriously, gun's dont kill people - someone has to pull the trigger....
In hunting, you dont hear folks sayin',, My winchester 2 billion drop'd that deer... You usually hear... "I" shot that deer at 300 yards with my Winchester 2 billion....

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If I want you dead, I'll kill you with a stick if I need to. Taking my guns just makes me a victim.
One of the biggest reasons our country hasn't had to fight a war on our own soil since the civil war is the fact that so many civilians are armed.
 

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Gun's arent only a weapon for war.. but for sportsman as well.

It'd be mighty difficult to run up to the deer to ask him/her if you could choke'm out..... :rolleyes::)

Shooting is a sport for sure...

Gun ownership has many faces:

Target/Skeet/Trap
Olympic Shooting Sport
Hunting/Harvesting wild game
Sniping/Law enforcement (thought I'd throw that in there for Troy) ;)
Gun of any size ='s big stick for defending our way of life
Self Defense (which is in a way sad we cant all trust everyone.. but that's reality)
Collectors

Shooting sports dont leave out alot of folks (kinda like fishing), both young/old, female/male can all participate in shooting sports and compete on same levels.

Sad, truely we have some psyhcopaths in life that should never own or use a weapon... the problem isnt the weapon, but the individual who uses it wrongly or in a very disturbed way.

if I set my Ruger GP-100 on the table loaded, I can promise you,, it will never hurt you... it wont magically jump up and shoot a soul. You can smack it with a hammer and it wont retaliate... you can dump it in the ocean and it will simply sit at the bottom of the sea without so much a struggle...

Gun's have always been part of my family ever since I was a small boy and my father and his father as well... As far as I'm concerned,, it wont change while learnin my youngin's either! ;)
 

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Dave - regarding the pocket knife for your boy - do they still issue "totem 'em chips (card)?

When I was in scouts and same when my boy was in, you had to have that card to carry or use a knife. It showed you had been trained in safety and proper use of knifes, axes, etc. If you messed up a scoutmaster or assistant would cut a corner off of your card, if all four corners were cut off, you lot the privilege of carrying or using a knife. It really was an effective means for teaching respect for knives and such.
 

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It's a "dadda" thing Mike. ;)

I haven't seen that in his manual for Tigers, Maybe for Cubs, but I havent seen anything specific on tools/knives/axes. I'm sure for him/his group something like that will come later. They're in crafts and community relations right now. (talking sticks, pine cone bird feeders, etc...)

Here's my trooper:

 

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Dave - regarding the pocket knife for your boy - do they still issue "totem 'em chips (card)?

When I was in scouts and same when my boy was in, you had to have that card to carry or use a knife. It showed you had been trained in safety and proper use of knifes, axes, etc. If you messed up a scoutmaster or assistant would cut a corner off of your card, if all four corners were cut off, you lot the privilege of carrying or using a knife. It really was an effective means for teaching respect for knives and such.
Our Royal Rangers unit uses the same system. There was even someone selling pocketknives at a recent pow-wow, and if a Ranger could not produce his tote'n'chip card, he was allowed to purchase the knife but not carry it -- his leader would hold the knife and give it to his parents. If they turn around and hand it to the boy, that's fine -- that happened under the parents' responsibility, not under the scout leader's responsibility...

That's one of the challenges with large-group settings like scouts -- you can't treat "Dave's Boy" any different from "So-And-So's Boy", so you've got to establish a system and adhere to it.
 

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Congrats on teaching your son about guns, knives and the outdoors. No better lessons he could learn. And a BIG thumbs up for having him in Scouting. I was in the BSA and I AM an Eagle Scout. One thing that has continued to impress me about the BSA is they REFUSE to bow to political correctness. The fought to keep God in their oath and to not allow known homosexuals (morally straight!) to join....and won.

I like one of the quotes that a member on the nc hunt and fish website has about gun control:

Armed, we are citizens. Disarmed, we are subjects.
 

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Having grown up in CT, I remember how it was with firearm ownership when I was 12 (pretty lax) and how it is now (very restrictive). When I was young and impressionable I heard other hunters say that there is no need for an Uzi or AR15 because you can't hunt with them...and they just plain looked evil. They never thought that the gov't would be concerned with their "hunting" firearms, so they pretty much turned their backs on the evil "black" guns. Well now there is no more handgun hunting & rifle hunting in CT on public land. There is no distinction between "black" guns and "hunting" guns...they are all one in the same. If you don't believe me then look elsewhere in this country where other's rights have been ****** away right under their noses. Every gun owner has something to lose, doesn't matter who you are or what you have. Law abiding citizens are on the whole responsible gun owners, it's the criminals (people who do not follow the laws), who can't legally own firearms and buy them illegally, who are the ones that make the news. You will hear of the 1 or 2 criminals make the news by shooting some poor victim, but you don't hear of the other 250+ MILLION responsible owners who don't do stupid stuff. Vehicle accidents & alcohol kills WAY more people than firearms...even those pesky ladder falls kill more people but of course firearms get demonized. Ted Kennedy killed more people with his car than I have with any of my firearms and I would actually like to keep it that way...but I refuse to be anyone's victim. I don't think that anyone really wants to take another person's life, I sure don't, but I am prepared and trained to protect myself and my family. I feel like I'm preaching to the choir here so I'll keep this short ;)
 

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Matt thats how they take our rights. They slip in slowly and regulate us into what they want. The powers that be are a patient lot and can wait to reprogram whole generations to get what they want. ID chips, GPS locators, IP addresses all ways to keep up with ALL of us not just the "bad" guys...
I'm sure you older guys remember that Social Security numbers were promised to NEVER be used for anything but appropriation of funds and no other for of ID...... LOL!
 

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I don't see the need n semi autos and things of that nature but I see nothing wrong with pistols and rifles that discharge one bullet per squeeze. If I was a hunter I would not want a semi auto as that would give me an unfair advantage (my grandpa used to say if I can't hit it the first time I don't deserve to hit it and he was a avid hunter.:D) The problem is that there are just a few nuts out there that go balistic with a legally bought fire arm and then these left wingests go crazy. It is the illegally traded auto and semi auto weapons that are the problem. Let the sportsman have there weapons because most likely they aren't the ones going on rampage.
 
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I don't see the need n semi autos and things of that nature but I see nothing wrong with pistols and rifles that discharge one bullet per squeeze. If I was a hunter I would not want a semi auto as that would give me an unfair advantage (my grandpa used to say if I can't hit it the first time I don't deserve to hit it and he was a avid hunter.:D) The problem is that there are just a few nuts out there that go balistic with a legally bought fire arm and then these left wingests go crazy. It is the illegally traded auto and semi auto weapons that are the problem. Let the sportsman have there weapons because most likely they aren't the ones going on rampage.
Mixed emotions on this one. If I want to responsibly own and use a semi auto to me it is like a fast car. All cars will go over 70 but it is illegal to do so. So why don't they all only go 70? I bet if they passed that law people would fill the streets marching. Let me have my guns for sporting/hunting and you can hit the passing lane at 100mph. Make me pay dearly if I do wrong just as you should.
The main problem here is as has been said many times... "If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns."
People who want to do wrong will find a way to do it. They need to make penalties hard and fast and without mercy. Then those who wish to do wrong will think twice and those who do it anyway will burden us no longer. Then we need to raise our children with the knowledge of right and wrong. We have filled their lives with so many "gray areas" and forgiveness that they have lost touch with wins/losses, right/wrong and they thing life has a "reset" button like the games that they play and that they can do what they want as long as they shrug their shoulders and say "oh, I'm sorry"....."I didn't know< think/realize>..." And they get away with failure far to easy because we might hurt someones feelings... awww....
When I was a kid. if you failed a class you were kept back a grade or went to summer school. If you played a sport there was one winner and one loser and losing HURT just like it was suposed too. At the end of the
season either you were the Champions or you were done! If you were your teams MPV you were praised highly, if not, hey "thanks for playing" try harder next year. You made an A B C D or F on your school work and your parents decided if that was good enough for them because THEY CARED and knew their childrens abilities..
I'm rambling.... I'll quit. You get my point.
Fish hard! Love long! Always have an OPINION and always have the FREEDOM to voice it!!!
 
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I don't see the need n semi autos and things of that nature but I see nothing wrong with pistols and rifles that discharge one bullet per squeeze. If I was a hunter I would not want a semi auto as that would give me an unfair advantage (my grandpa used to say if I can't hit it the first time I don't deserve to hit it and he was a avid hunter.:D)
That's a very liberal way of thinking. Just because you personally don't see the need to hunt with a semi auto shouldn't affect what I am allowed to own. That is your personal choice...don't make it my only option. I hunt with a semi auto, so does that make me an unethical hunter??? I also own NFA items, so are you telling me that because you don't like them and wouldn't own them yourself does that mean that no one should and that I am some kind of nut for owning/wanting to have them? I don't think you understand that all firearms are the same...and that means that they can be all banned just the same, even your pump action "assault" shotgun or "sniper" hunting bolt action rifle. I respect your opinion and your right to have your opinion, just realize that your rights and your children's rights can disappear with that thinking. Have you heard of Jim Zumbo? If you have some time, google him and see what you come up with. He had that same opinion and the anti-gunners took his words and RAN with them!! A lot of people woke up after he made his remarks.
 

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Very touchy subject, but recently moving here from out west, where there is still alot of hunting tradition(much like there is here), and the influx of tree huggers from even farther out west. I have seen the effects of this controversy. I dont personally have any reason or need for an AK-47, nor do I have a desire for an M-14, but thats not to say that someone else does have a need or desire for one. If they outlaw certain types of guns, they have thier foot in the door and its just a matter of time before they come for the others.
In Colorado the tree huggers banned leg-hold traps, and the spring bear hunt, hunting bear with dogs or bait. This was done 5-7 years ago. Now they are having problems with bears and coyotes. People move into the rural areas, that were once farmland or forest to escape the city drudgery, and expect the wildlife officers to respond by trapping and removing these animals they see because they are scared of them. People are seeing these animals come even closer into the cities and wonder why they are there.
I could keep rattling on........ but we as hunters, outdoorsman, fisherman need to remember to always do one thing.........VOTE!!!!! and tell someone else to VOTE TOO!!!!!!!!!!
 

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It is the illegally traded auto and semi auto weapons that are the problem
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Agreed, is a touchy subject as it should be!!!! Not beating up Coach.. but I disagree with this one particular statement...

A weapon of any type... wont hurt a sole!!!!! takes a person to pull the trigger... I've never known of a weapon to jump up and shoot at will... usually takes a person behind it to make it function purchased legally or not.

It's all in the words and wording... anti gunners or un-educated folks blame the gun itself... (which is pretty rediculous...), I can promise you.. I've never had a gun escape it's locked cabinet, load itself and randomly discharge! :D

Nothin wrong with a semi auto in my opinion.... makes plinkin' with a Ruger 10/22 alot more fun when you have a box of 500 rounds and all day to knock down coke can while dialin' in zero practicing for squirrel huntin..

One shot one kill is all fine and dandy... but when NC law says I'm allowed 2 deer a day harvest and I have 12 walk out in front of me in the Uwharries... you can bet I'd like to have more than one bullet.

Also,,, deflections happen and the worst thing to do is strike a animal and have it suffer.. so a follow dispatch/Coupe De gra round is always good to have... So again,, not beatin ya up Coach,, but there's a reason for a weapon to have multiple rounds in the hunting enviornment (correct me if I'm wrong...) Traditional muzzle loader is the true one shot-one kill method and what's funny is,, you only need to be over the age of 18 to purchase one. ANYONE can purchase a muzzleloader over the counter!!!! NO back ground check, no liscense... just need to be over 18!!! Now to me,, that's scary.... :eek: Muzzle loader kill just as quick as any other weapon...

Bottom line is... it's a freedom that folks would like to see go away..
The sportsman (hunters and fisherman) of today are quickly becoming the minority. The tradition is fading and the anti sportsman (Tree huggers for lack of a better term) would and do use anything negative they can to further their cause.

Remember PETA... the crying fish with a hook in it and then they ask you... would you do this to your dog? (show a dog with a hook in his lip)....

Come on.... I say enjoy the fishin while you can.. cause they're on the warpath on that as well... Water accesses are getting harder and harder to find, the costs involved are going higher which forces folks to choose another means of recreation... land development is swallowing up once public places to fish and hunt, horseback ride....

To me it's sad to think that my son might not be able to enjoy the outdoors with his son..... Could happen....

Vote Vote Vote... whether it directly affects you or your recreation or not... once one right is taken away... they lookin to take away another one... Hunting and Fishin go hand in hand.... somethin to think about...
 

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This can be a very touchy and emotional subject. So as a moderator this is probably a good point for me to thank everyone so far for keeping the discussion civil and respecting each others opinion. I also ask that you avoid using pejorative words or phrases so as not to insult others. Thanks for your co-operation!
 

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