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or is the price of gasoline going up by ridiculous amounts everywhere.:eek: Gas prices here have jumped $0.25 in the last two days.:mad: Did I miss the news flash about another hurricane hitting the gulf or are those #[email protected]#$# just sticking it to us because of the upcoming holiday? As much as I love fishing, I'm afraid my boat will be spending this holiday and most of the summer on the trailer.
 

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Was 2.97 this morning in Washington NC. Jumped to 3.18 this afternoon at same station!!! We have cancelled any unnecessary travel and I am parking the boat. If enough of us refuse to pay, they will have to bring down the price. As long as we keep the spoiled American mindset of just paying the price to have fun it won't change!!!! The price is beginning to reflect in everything we buy and there is NO excuse for it!! Seems funny to me that there are all of these supposed production problems yet the big oil companies yet again have reported the largest earnings in decades!!!
I am from a long line of family in the trucking and transport business. As long as we keep burning fuel taking vacations and speeding around in our boats and SUVs the oil companies will continue to let prices creep up and down at will. They jacked up the price because they KNOW it is the summer travel season and we fun loving, spoiled consuming peoples will go and do as we want until it breaks us! So they profit while they can, knowing that fossil fuels and high consumption vehicles are going away over the next 20yrs so they had best make it while they can......
Sorry, I get REAL fired up over Big business and bureaucratic Bullhockey!!! that's why I lean toward the Independant and Constitutionalists parties!
 

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Amen to what you say Sundrop. It was 2.79 in Monks Corner SC on Wednesday (at one gas station) and when I got back to NC from a two hour visit to the beach today it was 3.20 a gallon. I could have bought it in Mrytle Beach for 2.99 but just "knew" I could get it cheaper down the road. Wrong!!! I was shell shocked and really peed off and just because all the dang fools with their SUV's and pickup trucks of which I have two, ride all over the place just to have a good time and keep paying for all our many luxuries. I've had it and am definately cutting back my driving. I think the big oil companies really don't give a crap about us because they have made more money since 2001 it will last them a long time. Just tell me how the big boat folks with twin 250's pay to play in the water. Guess they will start running twin trolling motors.
 

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No need to slow down on driving when you can drive something that gets 3 or 4 times the MPG of the SUV's. let tecnology work for you instead. Or you could just grow a few million bushels of soy beans corn and canola and burn veggie oil. Personally I think if the big cities would wake up and promote the use of electric and minivehicles with designated lanes and thoroughfares they could easily meet their clean air goals and a gas burner would last for a lifetime if it were only used for occasional long trips. I've personally witnessed hopped up moped's doing 50 mph and easily keeping up with traffic on 17 in Myrtle Beach. Europe and Asia are chock full of small vehicles that are used for everything from personal transportation to delivery vehicles including cabs. Why can't we wake up to reality? I know it would take Congress a 10,000 page bill to get the ball rolling but in the meantime we need to press our local gov. to rewrite some of their rules and show folks what can be done because we tend not to believe anything unless we've heard it a hundred times or at least seen it a few times.
 

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Europe and Asia are chock full of small vehicles that are used for everything from personal transportation to delivery vehicles including cabs. Why can't we wake up to reality? I know it would take Congress a 10,000 page bill to get the ball rolling but in the meantime we need to press our local gov. to rewrite some of their rules and show folks what can be done because we tend not to believe anything unless we've heard it a hundred times or at least seen it a few times.
Because we are Americans and (unfortunately) noting else will do. We have to be bigger, better and faster than the other guy.
 

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I think its more about the oil companies lobbying the crap out of congress. Why bother passing any bills or even trying when u got pockets deep enough to take all the kickbacks and donations from these large lobby forces or what i like to call the 'dark side' hey you need money to win your campaign so why not take it from whomever and do their bidding. that is what the darkside thinks. when you think about the economy and general wellness of the country if we were energy independent or were capable of producing large amounts of power cheaply(nuclear) then we could certainly take our extravagant energy sucking lives into a new world of cheap, clean, flowing raw power which would help our economy more than a lot of people think.:eek:
 

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Part of the jump that you saw in prices is our great state's tax on gasoline. You know the goverment has to have a peice of that action as well. If they can't tax the consumer they'll sue the businesses. Gasoline tax information - North Carolina Gas Prices
Hey Backlash - not to pick a bone or anything cause NC does have one of the highest state gas taxes - but that has nothing to do with the recent rise this month - it's a flat tax per gallon (not a percentage like sales tax) and hasn't changed since Jan 2006 - so it has not contributed to the sudden rise. With that said - you are right about the rest!
 

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My 15-year old son recently got his first part time job. He received his first pay check yesterday and was shocked how much the government took out. I simply said, "welcome to the real world." It is discouraging how much the government takes knowing that much of it is not well managed and unnecessary. I am all for helping the needy, supporting our military, building roads, etc. But the waste is appalling. When I sold my first company a few years back, over 30% of the sale price had to be paid to the government in taxes. I couldn't help but think of all the red tape and paperwork that I'd had to go through for 7 years to meet government requirements while building the company. And all that time I received no benefits from the government to help the business grow. So it seemed that the government was impeding my opportunity to grow the business but wanted 30% when I sold it. That was one of the most difficult checks I've ever had to write. But I've traveled around the world to know that there is no better alternative. So I'll grumble about my taxes but give thanks for my freedom and opportunity. I love the USA and North Carolina! :D
 

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Gas prices are a nationwide problem. The gov't wants to force everyone into newer vehicles to lower emissions and save fossil fuels so countries like China can keep pumping cheap oil and polluting so they can join the big new world order that we are losing our freedoms and pride to. Now American companies are looking toward Africa as the next place to find cheap labor and no laws so they can sweatshop like China does. But then on the other hand they lean back and say...but we have reduced emissions and fossil fuel use nationwide to protect our environment... Now you just run along and turn on the news and see Who flashed their crotch in hollywood this week and go buy some new stuff on the credit cards because our economy ( false economy) is strong and we will look out for you...don't worry....
 

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Backlash I think you read me wrong. I'm saying the government won't fix it on a national scale but on a local scale people can still have enough politcal clout to create an environment for those who would rather not waste so much fuel just moving 2 or 3 hundred pounds of human cargo around town. Our automobiles do great on the open road and last much longer in that environment. In town they are short lived, inefficent and cumbersome. They are also sources of a lot of unnecessary pollution that city officals would love to reduce. So you keep your Escalade and use it when the time calls for it and you buy an Electric Mini Cooper that has a top speed of 80 and a range of 120 miles for the short trips, stop and go commuting etc and your Escalde will either have fewer miles on it when you trade or last much longer. In the mean time your money don't all go to big oil and their politicans. But at the same time you need to look out for the guy who can't afford an Escalde and a Mini Cooper. Have the city develop a network of slower moving vehicle trails for golf carts, bicycles, mopeds, mini vehicles, segways etc so that the folks that want or need to take that route can. That way everybody keeps more money in their pockets and gas prices are held in check by a big dip in demand. Just stop and think about all of the big wide transmission line right of ways, pipeline right of ways creek and river banks abandoned railroad beds ect that could tie into the maze of residential streets that would be avaiable . Now think if 25% of the traffic suddenly was gone from the major traffic arteries. Maybe, just maybe these cheaper roads could decrease the cost of highway construction to the point that the state could drop some of the hiway tax on gas. (I doubt they would if they could). I'm satisfied that the electric utilities would foot part of the bill for constrution if they could use the right of ways for underground transmission lines because they are finding that repairing storm damage to their lines is becoming a major problem in logistics as well as cost. They would also be gaining a new market for electricity. I think this is a much better approach than waiting on hydrogen or any other santioned technology because instead of creating a one fuel system where there is no real competion you are diversifying so that there is real price competion and an actual drop in the amount of energy expended to move people around. Then E85 gasoline, diesel fuel from vegetable oil, hydogen fuel cells, electricty, etc could reduce the demand for petroleum further. None of those technologies can be counted on entirely by it self and if we were a smarter nation we wouldn't be a one fuel economy.
 

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Sinkerman... so now I have to pay 2 car payments and insurance on 2 vehicles to fill my needs? I'll just buy more gas for the one I have.
 

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No insurance is currently required on low speed vehicles that I know of. Nationwide! And if you can afford to drive a new high end suv you can probably handle 6 or 7 Thousand more. (you'll need about $30k for a lithium ion battery powered Mini Cooper.) But A Japanese 4wd Mini truck is the high end of the low speed vehicles and good/used they avg $4,500 and 50 mpg. Do a little math with me. 15,000 miles at 15 mpg =1,000 gallons vs 15,000 miles at 50 mpg = 300 gallons. The difference being a savings of 700 gallons of gasoline. At an even $3 gallon that is $2100 savings in gasoline and you have 15,000 miles less on your suv/4wd truck that cost way more per mile to purchase. It don't take much more than that to know you are ahead because you can bet that the mini truck will be worth more than $2500. In the meantime you have a nifty little 4wd truck to hunt and fish out of. You can pull it with any full size vehicle just like a 4 wheeler. The thing with 4 wheelers is that they are not governed down to 25 mph at the factory and wouldn't meet low speed vehicle speed requirements. Those are just a couple of options among many picked because of their diversity. I am a large guy and don't fit just everything but I think there are plenty of options out there that will work just as well for me as anyone else. IT's kinda of funny that I have trouble with Chevy pickups/vans but I fit in either side of a Ford Escort no problem. It just goes to show first glance can be deceiving. Now Here is the kicker... If there are say 100 million drivers in the US and 10% decide to bite the bullet and save 500 gallons of gasoline/yr.: That is 5 BILLION gallons of gas. Now which do you think will cause gas prices to drop. Reducing demand by 5 billion gallons or everybody not buying gas for a whole week? Option one is a loss while option 2 is a delay in payment of an avg of 3.5 days. Option one is permanant in nature while option 2 is a short event. If you let the big three and big oil brainwash you into buying extra gas at a king's ransome that is your right, but if just 10% of folks can make your gas prices drop Please don't try to stop them. And please don't go buy a sherman tank to drive just because now you can. That might be considered a little hoggish.:eek:
 

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Very good discussion there sinker man. You've made good points all around. There are many people who have the high end suvs who don't need them. Those are the ones we need to change. Nothing worse then a mom driving her big old escalade by herself all over town. She could be driving something else (just one example to fit sinker's facts).
 

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Yep, I'll give ya that one Sinker. I drive a Hyundai Accent and I keep an old 4x4 Explorer around to pull the boat. I'm all for the saving of gas, but it should be because I choose to save not because they've made it so expensive that I have too when there is not justification for the rise in cost. But I have always been of the mindset that any one person only needs to be SO rich.... These big corporate types that make millions of dollars a year and could never live long enough to spend it all just make no sense to me. Same goes for Sports, Hollywood etc.
I'm more of the communal type where all have what they need and enjoy the abundance equally. Nice fantasy huh??
At 7+ gal and hour even my old boat is going to stay home alot more. I'm also smack in the middle of building a race car that I am now considering selling because of fuel cost to run/tow it.
Meanwhile, the big corporate types are building huge townhomes on the river and ruining the view and making it harder for the average person to find a place to enjoy the river...and they drive their big SUVs and their big powerful boats and don't care because financially it just doesnt effect them...
 

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Coach- Do you have any examples of who needs SUVs? Because I have two and both are used for my business. 22 years ago when I moved everything that owned fit on the tailgate of an S10 pickup truck and we struggled for 10 years to make ends meet while I fulfilled my commitment to the Army. Since then I have been involved with business working 60 to 80 hours a week and many years without vacation. Maybe I don't need them. But I have worked my tail off to afford them and so has my wife. Both of us have built businesses and it hasn't been easy. We haven't had any assistance nor expected any. I'm not rich by any means but I am proud of what I have accomplished and I don't hold a grudge against anyone who may have more than I. Because , I'm sure if I got to know most of them I would find that they have made sacrifices themselves. I have a modest home because it's what I feel that I can afford comfortably and I honestly don't think that I would want a larger house. But because I don't live in a bigger house (that uses more energy) , I'm not mad at the people who do. After all, it's their choice and that's the freedom that a capitalistic society brings.

Does anyone remember the 80s when gas was .89 cents a gallon and Oil companies were being bought and sold at every turn? When the environmentalists LOBBIED successfully against the building of new refineries and oil exploration. Does anyone recall that the Hollywood Socialist have blocked Oil rigs from going up off the coast of Florida because they might be able to see them from their Multi Million dollar Beach Homes or that the Kennedy's recently opposed a 24 acre Wind farm on the Massachusetts Bay. Here's the political face of the environmentalist standing against a carbon neutral energy source because it will sit 8 miles from their Camelot. Why haven't we constructed a Nuclear Power Plant since 1973?

What about the Tobacco buy outs? Billions of dollars spent to put North Carolina farmers out of work. Supposedly, to offset the cost of the burden that cigarette smoking was putting on the health care system. I wonder how much went to the trial lawyers and how much the Health Care System received. Why wasn't the buy out money used to put help farmers establish crops that could produce ethanol? But now we won't be able to build Ethanol refineries because that will cause pollution.

Does anyone remember OPEC or Hugo Chavez and there part in the oil prices? Which neither by the way wouldn't have two nickels to rub together without the American Capitalist Infidels. These Fascist run rampant and hold the sword to our throats because it's the hand that now feeds us.

And what about China and Europe? What a bunch of dopes. Ever heard of Carbon Credits? The great system that Brother Al Gore would love to impose on the good ol USA. European companies have been scammed into purchasing factories from China for Carbon Credits to be able to expand their factories in Europe. China in the meantime just throws up another dirty factory in the old one's place, then sells it to Europe for the carbon credits. European business love this, even though they pay exorbitant prices for the carbon credits it cheaper than putting scrubbers and other environmentally sensitive systems in their factories.

There's so many things to point the finger at but least of all the Soccer Mom who has prospered and made a purchase that in all likelyhood responsible for some very good paying American Jobs. Our economic system is solely responsible for reducing poverty worldwide. That's not to say that there's still not plently to go around. look at were you goods and services are coming from now days , China, India, Thialand , Bangledesh, Korea, and even countries of the Former Soviet Union. Gas prices have always gone up just prior to Memorial day and down after Labor day this is when we drive the most. People will of course begin to travel less or plan their travels or even purchase smaller cars better which will reduce the demand then prices will come down again. The great thing is those choices are left up to us. However, I don't believe anyone who drives an SUV is Hoggish. Politicians, Hollywood and the media have advanced these ideas as form of class warfare, IMO. When I see Striesand, Baldwin, Michael Moore or Al Gore tooling around in an Escort think I'll take a look at them. In the meantime I hear the Toyota Tundra is turning about 381 HP and I feel the need for speed.:p
 
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