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My concern is "give them an inch and they will take a mile".

I fly fish and have been smashing my barbs down for 30 years so this will not affect me.

Next they will say you must use 50lb test line so you can land them quicker and not stress the fish. One could say that is ridiculous. Before long you have fishing regs thick as a phone book and you have to stay up all night figuring out what is legal or hire a lawyer. Never doubt governments ability to do stupid crap. Heck, I remember in the 80s when the Pentagon was paying 250 for toilet seats and 50 for an ordinary screw driver (might have been a hammer, long time ago).

To the guys who disagree, I respect your opinion. No heat from me. You do make a good point. I just don't trust them.
^^^^^THIS........ give them an inch and they will take a mile. For example. the Roanoke river rule which goes out June 30th(thank goodness cause then I can float it for bass and not have to ruin my lures) says single barbless hooks from a certain date to June 30th. this rules out a double shad rig. Yes you can catch them on 1but a double rig is more effective. they never even considered that.

and yes one day the regs will be as thick as a phone book and so confusing some won't bother to fish then it will come out that barbless circle hooks injure fish and cause pain to them and fishing will be be a thing of the past. Don't laugh, it is gonna happen one day if we keep letting them do this.

and if recreational fishing is declining or flat and stocks are dwindling then the rec fisherman are not the main problem but we get the rules placed upon us.
 

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^^^^^THIS........ give them an inch and they will take a mile. For example. the Roanoke river rule which goes out June 30th(thank goodness cause then I can float it for bass and not have to ruin my lures) says single barbless hooks from a certain date to June 30th. this rules out a double shad rig. Yes you can catch them on 1but a double rig is more effective. they never even considered that.

and yes one day the regs will be as thick as a phone book and so confusing some won't bother to fish then it will come out that barbless circle hooks injure fish and cause pain to them and fishing will be be a thing of the past. Don't laugh, it is gonna happen one day if we keep letting them do this.

and if recreational fishing is declining or flat and stocks are dwindling then the rec fisherman are not the main problem but we get the rules placed upon us.
All good points. One thing that is imperative is we HAVE to elect politicians who are outdoors friendly. That starts at the local level. I’ll be the first to admit to overlooking the local races to view State or Fed elections. Get involved ( I’m looking in the mirror also) and maybe we can curtail the “phone book regs” ordeal we’ve seen in other aspects of our lives.
 

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My concern is "give them an inch and they will take a mile".

I fly fish and have been smashing my barbs down for 30 years so this will not affect me.

Next they will say you must use 50lb test line so you can land them quicker and not stress the fish. One could say that is ridiculous. Before long you have fishing regs thick as a phone book and you have to stay up all night figuring out what is legal or hire a lawyer. Never doubt governments ability to do stupid crap. Heck, I remember in the 80s when the Pentagon was paying 250 for toilet seats and 50 for an ordinary screw driver (might have been a hammer, long time ago).

To the guys who disagree, I respect your opinion. No heat from me. You do make a good point. I just don't trust them.
^^^^^THIS........ give them an inch and they will take a mile. For example. the Roanoke river rule which goes out June 30th(thank goodness cause then I can float it for bass and not have to ruin my lures) says single barbless hooks from a certain date to June 30th. this rules out a double shad rig. Yes you can catch them on 1but a double rig is more effective. they never even considered that.

and yes one day the regs will be as thick as a phone book and so confusing some won't bother to fish then it will come out that barbless circle hooks injure fish and cause pain to them and fishing will be be a thing of the past. Don't laugh, it is gonna happen one day if we keep letting them do this.

and if recreational fishing is declining or flat and stocks are dwindling then the rec fisherman are not the main problem but we get the rules placed upon us.
If I'm not mistaken isn't the Roanoke fishery almost exclusively rec fisherman?

Also, that fishery made a big comeback due to proper management of it.

Right now our salt water fisheries are managed by a hodge podge of commercial fisherman, recreational fisherman, and ONE scientist.... This is the main issue. We don't manage our fisheries using scientific knowledge and understanding of them. Instead we have a political ******* match.
 

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^^^^^THIS........ give them an inch and they will take a mile. For example. the Roanoke river rule which goes out June 30th(thank goodness cause then I can float it for bass and not have to ruin my lures) says single barbless hooks from a certain date to June 30th. this rules out a double shad rig. Yes you can catch them on 1but a double rig is more effective. they never even considered that.
Actually, the rule explicitly prohibits "tandem rigs", so they clearly thought about it.
 

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Actually, the rule explicitly prohibits "tandem rigs", so they clearly thought about it.
Imho they did not think about tandem rigs for shad when you are using 1/8 oz jig heads or less. They were most likely thinking about bigger rigs. double fluke rigs, double butter bean bucktail rigs using 1/2 heads is typical of a buttterbean double rig.

FWIW i have never seen a game warden give a ticket when using a shad rig after April the first and I have fished one several time right in front of different wardens and they did not ticket me and told me they would not enforce a shad rig but the next one may which is the problem. a small shad rig with a barb(2 barbs actually on a dbl rig) hurts the rare striper caught on it way less than a big hook with no barb.
 

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If I'm not mistaken isn't the Roanoke fishery almost exclusively rec fisherman?

Also, that fishery made a big comeback due to proper management of it.

Right now our salt water fisheries are managed by a hodge podge of commercial fisherman, recreational fisherman, and ONE scientist.... This is the main issue. We don't manage our fisheries using scientific knowledge and understanding of them. Instead we have a political ******* match.
not imho.....the fishing I experienced in the 80's was waaaay better than today.

and today i would bet that in May when you cant keep them more die from catch and release than from barbed hooks before 4/1.
common to see buzzards standing on logs laying into the water getting floaters from all the dead stripers from catch and release.
During catch and release season imho everyone needs to use at least 17 lb line and get them in quick and release quick or they die. catch one on 10 or 12 lb line. play it in . take a pic or 2 and it will be a floater. barbless hooks are not saving those fish.

fish that would of survived catch and release in late Feb, march and early april have a harder time as the water warms.
 

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Me and my dad were out fishing yesterday and we got talking about the terrible inshore fisheries management in NC. We realized that if you took speckled trout away there literally wouldn't be a viable inshore salt water fishery.

* Croaker are mostly gone
* Spot are mostly gone
* Grey trout are mostly gone and a 1 pet day limit
* Flounder are currently not allowed and studies show have been in decline
* Drum are doing better but only 1 allowed per day
* Striper are mostly gone and you can't keep them
* Bluefish stocks are having issues and now only 3 per day

Lucky for us speckled trout spawn like jack rabbits and can overcome some poor management.

I have fished the Pungo river for over 20 years now and know many others who have lots of experience on it. Trout are doing good. Flounder have declined over the years. This is the first year in almost half a decade or more that puppy drum have been around, others I talked too including guides say the same. Striper have declined except when they stocked them and then it was just a bunch of 8-12 inch fish.

Are fisheries are a disaster. That is not an exaggeration. If you take time to think about it you realize our fishing is a shell of what it could and should be.
 

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Let's see, either they're trying to exert control over the population by regulating hooks or their trying to protect the resource. Which option do you think is more likely?
 

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Last I checked, recreational fishing was in long-term decline in terms of the number of people participating(despite population increase). If fish stocks are threatened despite that, either the remaining fishermen are really good, or...
Drum Solo I'd like to know who wrote the report that says the number of people participating in Recreational fishing were decline, I want to carry that person Trout fishing on the Pamlico so he can see where his decline went to! Over the past 10 years the number of people fishing in my home area sure has not declined and in fact has probably close to doubled. 15 to 20 years ago I could fish during the week and maybe see half a dozen other boats, now the ramps are packed full with 30 to 50 trucks & trailers, there are boats everywhere Monday thru Friday and God only knows what it looks like on the weekends... I'm guessing it must be the same guy that said the Flounder were in decline in the Pamlico Sound, because he was wrong about that too!

As for the Circle hook rule, I too feel it's regulation over reach.
 

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Drum Solo I'd like to know who wrote the report that says the number of people participating in Recreational fishing were decline, I want to carry that person Trout fishing on the Pamlico so he can see where his decline went to!
I linked to it in my post. So far no one has had anything to say other than "there are a lot of boats out on the river when I go fishing". A pretty obvious possible explanation for that(especially weekday fishing) when it comes to the Pamlico would be Baby Boomers retiring and moving to retirement communities, etc. etc. This would increase the number of people fishing on the Pamlico without increasing overall numbers of people fishing. And this is why anecdote is not the singular form of "data".

I'll be the first to admit that one metric taken from one source isn't the end-all, be-all, and you would be right to not trust survey data 100%, but that's why I also linked in the bit about fewer fishing licenses being sold. I find it pretty hard to believe that DMF can't keep an accurate count of how many licenses it sells every year, and # of licenses sold seems like a pretty good substitute for # of people fishing to me, unless you believe that there are hoards of poachers out there.
 

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Let's see, either they're trying to exert control over the population by regulating hooks or their trying to protect the resource. Which option do you think is more likely?
Something in between the two options. I have spent most of my career in government and/or dealing directly with state government regulatory agencies, and it is very common for regulatory/policy staff to a) be very much in earnest about the mission of the agency they work for, and b) to take well-intended actions that have unintended consequences.

I don't agree with all of it, but most of the pushback I've seen on this thread has been very reasonable. Mack in NC's post a little ways up the thread is an excellent demonstration of what I'm talking about re: unintended consequences. Regulating tackle is inherently complex and Mack made some good points that I had not considered. I'm not saying that is a reason to not mandate circle hooks for shark fishing, just an illustration of how easy it is to mess these kinds of regulations up.
 
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