I have a 12 and love it. Haven't heard of dealers negotiating on hobies at all. Unless maybe you work a deal on a demo. Best chance of a deal is Craigslist which there has been 1 or 2 on lately. I got mine from backyard boats around DC. They use to have a guy with a tie to the Raleigh area so no delivery charges. There's alway great outdoor provision to just go look at them.