NC Angler Forums banner
1 - 11 of 11 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
852 Posts
Discussion Starter · #1 ·
Anyone have one? I've done some net searching and it sounds like what I am looking for.

Seems like it would be a lot more comfortable than the SOT a friend let me use a month ago (which he recently sold to buy one of these). Have not tried his, but he looked very comfortable and stable in it today.

Basically seeking stable, light, dry, easy to fish from, pickup truck bed transportable, and this looks to handle all of those well. Just not sure about spending close to a grand on a kayak (once you add the rod holders and other "angler" accessories from Paddle Creek). Then again, I would rather spend a little more up front on a kayak I will like to use than less on one that is going to sit in my backyard all the time.

Good? Bad? Other?
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
183 Posts
It's definitely a cool boat. They have plenty of add on covers to make it like a sit inside. The seat is proabbly the best on the market right now. The only negitave I see is if you will be getting in or out alot, if that is the case I'd stick with a Tarpon. As far as "angler" packages I'd stay away from those. Most of them are designed by people who paddle and occasionally fish not fishermen who paddle. Check around and you can find several pics of set ups. One other thing if you are fishing lakes and deepr water the Hobie Outback pedal drive is just about unbeatable, especially if you plan on trolling.
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
7,911 Posts
I don't have one but I demo'd a 14. Definitely stable. Definitely light. Definitely easy to fish from. Dry depends on where your water is coming from. Its not a boat for the surf where water might come in from the sides or over the bow. I loved the airy-ness of the suspended seat and the leg angle - your feet are a few inches lower than your bottom, which is a more comfortable seated position and better for casting. I got a little bit of the metal frame pushing back on me but might have been able to control that with some more time and adjustment (or less weight:)). We had it out with a Magic 12 and my Redfish 14 SOT and 3 of us (2 novices and me) preferred the 14' SOT to either of the others.

I'm sold on the scuppers and the built-in conveniences of the fishing SOTs and I prefer the molded SOT cockpit to the canoe-style interior of the Ultimate. That 14' Ultimate was a lot of boat to push through the water compared to the other two. Tracks well on the cat-style hull, but it felt like you were pushing more water (12 would be less so). I wasn't in love with mounting options for accessories (more $$$) and no good place to put a fish finder & protect the wires. I had too high a center of balance to stand comfortably in the Ultimate, which really disappointed me. I've seen "normal sized" people cast, catch, fight and land fish while standing, but it just wasn't going to happen for me. I also wasn't sold on spending that much money - I might have if it had given me something I couldn't do in the SOT that I would really value (like pitching & flipping from a standing position). For me a $500 canoe would have been every bit as good.

I don't want to turn you off if its the right boat for you. I know people who have them and are very happy with them. Buying a kayak is a personal decision - what's right for 6'4" & 260 may not make sense for 5'10" & 180 and vice versa. Some folks like to camp, take kids, dogs, cargo, etc... which works in some boats but not in others. Some are interested in surf launching others aren't. So, I've got a dissenting opinion on the Ultimate, but its only one opinion and it only fits me.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
852 Posts
Discussion Starter · #4 ·
Thanks Jeff, I was hoping you'd tried one. I also considered the Magic 12, but it did not seem like it would be as stable, what did your crew think of it? The SOT I tried was a Tarpon 12, did not like it at all, very uncomfortable and felt like I was sitting on a surfboard or log, and the thing kept trying to scoot out from under me when getting out of it. I think I still like to be in instead of on a boat.

So, to sum up, you thought the Ultimate was decent and comfortable, but expensive and tough to accessorize? I will never take one out in the surf, just to play around in at Wake Reservoir, Beaver Dam, and maybe parts of Falls around Upper Bartons. Wherever I can't launch my CC (which appears to be everywhere this year - come on rain!).

I don't have one but I demo'd a 14. Definitely stable. Definitely light. Definitely easy to fish from. Dry depends on where your water is coming from. Its not a boat for the surf where water might come in from the sides or over the bow. I loved the airy-ness of the suspended seat and the leg angle - your feet are a few inches lower than your bottom, which is a more comfortable seated position and better for casting. I got a little bit of the metal frame pushing back on me but might have been able to control that with some more time and adjustment (or less weight:)). We had it out with a Magic 12 and my Redfish 14 SOT and 3 of us (2 novices and me) preferred the 14' SOT to either of the others.

I'm sold on the scuppers and the built-in conveniences of the fishing SOTs and I prefer the molded SOT cockpit to the canoe-style interior of the Ultimate. That 14' Ultimate was a lot of boat to push through the water compared to the other two. Tracks well on the cat-style hull, but it felt like you were pushing more water (12 would be less so). I wasn't in love with mounting options for accessories (more $$$) and no good place to put a fish finder & protect the wires. I had too high a center of balance to stand comfortably in the Ultimate, which really disappointed me. I've seen "normal sized" people cast, catch, fight and land fish while standing, but it just wasn't going to happen for me. I also wasn't sold on spending that much money - I might have if it had given me something I couldn't do in the SOT that I would really value (like pitching & flipping from a standing position). For me a $500 canoe would have been every bit as good.

I don't want to turn you off if its the right boat for you. I know people who have them and are very happy with them. Buying a kayak is a personal decision - what's right for 6'4" & 260 may not make sense for 5'10" & 180 and vice versa. Some folks like to camp, take kids, dogs, cargo, etc... which works in some boats but not in others. Some are interested in surf launching others aren't. So, I've got a dissenting opinion on the Ultimate, but its only one opinion and it only fits me.
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
7,911 Posts
Thanks Jeff, I was hoping you'd tried one. I also considered the Magic 12, but it did not seem like it would be as stable, what did your crew think of it?
I was really hoping to like the magic, since its closer to a traditional SOT (has scuppers, at least) and I do want to get into the surf, but it just didn't feel right. Sort of like a lawn chair on a surfboard. Makes you feel a little detached from the boat. We had the 12' version and it was definitely quicker than the other 2. It was less stable but not significantly less stable because its still a pretty wide boat. It was significantly more responsive than the Ultimate - much quicker in the water. I really thought my 100lb daughter would like it, but she still preferred the redfish. I didn't like that there was so little interior access to run cables and do customizations, and the accessory system is cool but adds to the price again.

So, to sum up, you thought the Ultimate was decent and comfortable, but expensive and tough to accessorize?
yep. There wasn't anything particular about the boat itself that I didn't like, just not looking for that much of a canoe-style hull, and once I found that I couldn't dance around in it I lost my incentive to pay that much for it. (Note that I've bought all my kayaks at clearance prices, so paying full-on retail would be a serious shock to my system.)

Paddle Creek will let you demo a boat for $15 if you're a serious buyer, then they'll apply that to your purchase. Not sure if you've tried that, but its a good deal for a buyer.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
884 Posts
Have you tried any Phoenix series kayaks by Hurricane? The Phoenix 130 will be everything you're looking; light, dry, stable, easy to fish from, and pickup bed friendly.

It's 13' long, 28" wide, and it weighs 46lbs. The scupper system design allows it to ride completely dry. I weigh 230lbs and carry about 15lbs worth of gear. I never have standing water in it.

There is also a 14 and 16 foot version available. I've used or owned most of the fishing kayaks out there and really like these. My next suggestion would be a Malibu eXtreme or Wilderness Systems Ride 135 (new model).
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
7 Posts
Hey guys,

Saw my shop in the post, thought I might chime in. The ULT 12 is a great boat for fishing with a lot of cargo space and the adjustable skeg makes it a nice tracking boat for 12 feet. Bigger paddlers will do better in a 14, that is what I paddle as I am a man of larger stature. The Magic, is really geared more to a plug and play performance sit on top. The 12 foot model is geared for lighter paddlers I'd say around 180-200lbs. The 14 came out this year. This is a nice boat with a tandem option. Only downfall is it is a little heavy for one paddler. Good luck with your search.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
852 Posts
Discussion Starter · #8 ·
Thanks for the info and thanks for dealing with me in my yahoo persona, I will try to get over there this weekend to check them out in person.

Hey guys,

Saw my shop in the post, thought I might chime in. The ULT 12 is a great boat for fishing with a lot of cargo space and the adjustable skeg makes it a nice tracking boat for 12 feet. Bigger paddlers will do better in a 14, that is what I paddle as I am a man of larger stature. The Magic, is really geared more to a plug and play performance sit on top. The 12 foot model is geared for lighter paddlers I'd say around 180-200lbs. The 14 came out this year. This is a nice boat with a tandem option. Only downfall is it is a little heavy for one paddler. Good luck with your search.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
329 Posts
Hi Shemstreet,
I am a minority on this site...I use a Wilderness Systems Pungo 140 SIT IN. Lucky you, I will give you my 2 cents....if its even worth that.. It keeps me dry, in coastal and fresh water, it can handle class 2.5 rapids, if you ever do the river thing. It only weights 50lbs, and at 14 feet, with a built in keel design, it cuts the waves and wind well. It also has a dry storage bulkhead in the back, that I have used to keep some essentials dry on some camping/fishing trips. Its not as influenced by the wind as I thought it would be. HOWEVER, if you like to stand or get in and out a lot, its terrible. Iif you like to stand and fish in your boat, the Tarpon, or Redfish is the way to go(in my opinion) The one drawback is dealing with the "inside" nature of your gear. I know my next yak will be a Sit on(I will keep my Pungo), but I was looking at the Ultimate 12 also. It seems like the best of both worlds to me. If you end up testing one out, please post your impressions. It seems most serious yak fishermen(jeffonnc), revert back to the sit on top.....thats good enough for me to think thats a good way to go.... These guys on here, know what they are talking about.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
852 Posts
Discussion Starter · #10 ·
Well, I ended up going by Paddle Creek on the way home and bought the Ultimate 12. Have to wait a few days for the rod holders and anchor trolley to be installed, but will hopefully be able to give some type of review by next weekend.

Way too many yaks to look at there. If I was really into it and didn't have my boat for bigger water, the Ultimate 145 one man setup or even the Ultimate 16 looked pretty nice. Actually, most of the Native models looked pretty neat (they now make the Manta Ray for Liquid Logic, which was also in the running).

Looked at the Redfish 12, really seemed narrow to me compared to a lot of the others.

If anyone liked the Synergy brand, they had one there at deep discount that looked pretty nice, think it was the brand they had on display a couple of years ago at the Raliegh boat show.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,993 Posts
shemstreet---Congrats on your new ride--I was in Get Outdoors in Greensboro a few weeks back and made a mistake of sitting in one of the Natives 12 Ultimate. If I get another kayak it will probably be one of this make and model. Look forward to your evaluation and report.
 
1 - 11 of 11 Posts
This is an older thread, you may not receive a response, and could be reviving an old thread. Please consider creating a new thread.
Top