Well I did it, bought myself a kayak. Made the trip down to Fayettville yesterday and met backlash. He showed me his that he had for sell in the classifieds here on ncangler. It was as nice as the pictures, and he helped me also with alot of info. for a newbie like me so I took it home. Thanks backlash I also want to thank jeffonc who also helped me with info on the differant types of kayaks. I can't wait to try it out. Thanks again for all the help, reading the forms really can help alot. Oh almost forgot thanks to ncangler for having this site that we all can get together and share.