[OptiMystic]

Scary stuff!
http://www.newsweek.com/2014/07/11/...-worlds-oceans-may-be-irrevocable-256962.html

 

[Drum Runner]

It's Newsweek. They scare you to death about the oceans but our presidente is absolutely nothing to be concerned about.
Liberal rag. It brings out all the world is going to end soon because you don't walk or ride a bicycle, and eat dirt clowns.

Let me guess....Dr's office.

 

[OptiMystic]

I saw it as a sidebar link in another article. The projections are worse than I have seen in other articles, but there is definitely cause for concern. The pH has changed and the level has risen.

 

[NCTribute]

It's Newsweek. They scare you to death about the oceans but our presidente is absolutely nothing to be concerned about.
Liberal rag. It brings out all the world is going to end soon because you don't walk or ride a bicycle, and eat dirt clowns.

Let me guess....Dr's office.

Yes, stick your head in the sand and utter political nonsense, that will do you a lot of good as the environment is destroyed around you. The scientist's will have the last laugh, unfortunately it will be bittersweet.

 

[wvlheel]

I choose to believe the scientists. To pretend we aren't making things worse is a bad path, IMO. It's a shame that our political differences prevent our coming together to try and find a solution. The potential consequences are quite severe.

I freely admit that one side is guilty of over dramatizing things just as another is trying to downplay them.

Just my two cents. I hope this doesn't turn ugly.

 

[wademaster]

This may be short lived....you know the routine.

 

[Drum Runner]

I saw it as a sidebar link in another article. The projections are worse than I have seen in other articles, but there is definitely cause for concern. The pH has changed and the level has risen.

And this has never happened before in the history of the earth or nothing can possibly adapt to a changing environment? That's where I get off the circus train.

 

[Drum Runner]

Yes, stick your head in the sand and utter political nonsense, that will do you a lot of good as the environment is destroyed around you. The scientist's will have the last laugh, unfortunately it will be bittersweet.

I call it common sense. The earth has changed drastically throughout it's history with meteor strikes, volcanos, the warming and cooling of the earth, ocean currents shifting which cause weather pattern changes and sometimes complete climate change. We have jungle that was once desert and desert that was once jungle. I live a good hour drive from the coast yet when I dig a well on this place I pull up not only burned wood from 30 feet in the ground but oyster shells from 50. Rising oceans? Rising to the level where they once were maybe? I don't consider that catastrophic. It's happened before obviously. All that coal in the West Virginia hills.....came from the decomposition of SALT WATER marsh grass. The earth does what it needs to do and man isn't going to alter that or cause it to change.

Through all this massive changing humans exist as well as animals, fish, and birds.

So who's head is in the sand?

Sorry fellas. God put a noggin on these shoulders. I'm going to use it rather than be spoon fed from an agenda that is rooted in the transfer of wealth globally from the pocket of Americans that are supposed to feel guilty to cesspool 3rd world countries ruled by dictators and tribal elements. Our wealth and quality of life does not need to be lowered to raise someone else's.

 

[catfish_hunter]

Drum runner I disagree with about 95% of your posts on this forum but man you've really out done yourself on this thread.

 

[Drum Runner]

Do you really disagree with my posts or me because I can't see anyone disagreeing with 95% of anybody's posts. Half my posts are on boat building. If you disagree with that, speak up! I'll shut er down.

I don't carry grudges. I don't hate folks on message boards. I don't throw my mouse across the room.
I just say what I want to say. It stays, it goes, it get's shut down, folks love it, folks hate it, but it's from my heart.

Even though you disagree with 95% of my posts I would treat you the same way of any other member I've met. I would anybody on this site. There is a few that try to read what they want to see into my posts instead of what is there. I don't have no hard feeling towards folks like that. They need all the help they can get. I'd save em a chicken thigh and a biscuit.

I do not let emotion over rule common sense.
I love to fish. I don't let my emotions towards fishing rule the day on how I should think, act, or talk. Leave emotional crap to females.
Like....I really feel this way but I have to act that way and say this so I will be in compliance ...so I can be one of the guys, one of the accepted.. Politically correct.

I am not like that. I have my emotions under control. I'll tell you how I see it. Lump it or like it. Some folks just get all wound up with emotion. Their emotions control how they act towards others , especially if they disagree.

 

[OptiMystic]

And this has never happened before in the history of the earth or nothing can possibly adapt to a changing environment? That's where I get off the circus train.

The evidence indicates that what happened during the recovery from the pH change was pretty catastrophic. A rise in sea level shrinks the continents at the edges, which is where a bunch of humans live and built infrastructure they intended to keep dry. Sure, it may be recoverable but at great cost. A lot of evidence points to this being at least partially caused by conditions we have created, which is what makes it different than past similar events.

I disagree with you a lot also, but because of a few common interests we also discuss, I realized a while back you don't have a problem going toe to toe on other issues. Because of the other discussions, I feel like we respectfully disagree on issues like this. That's also not the end of the world...

 

[papadave]

Regardless of the cause, things are changing. The seas are in the process of reclaiming some heavily populated areas and we're throwing billions of dollars into the denial bucket. It's undeniable that the Earth is and always has been in flux, but is that an excuse to keep banging our heads on the same expensive rock? If we're going to do nothing at least stop spending money on it.
Beach replenishment programs are costing taxpayers a fortune and are literally no more than building castles in the sand. That denial thing works out pretty good for those with financial interests on the beach strand but it don't do the rest of us much good.

It's a shame that our political differences prevent our coming together to try and find a solution.

Amen! Whether we agree on the cause or not we should at least be willing to work together toward adapting to the result. Yea, good luck with that

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[Calabash513]

Yes, stick your head in the sand and utter political nonsense, that will do you a lot of good as the environment is destroyed around you. The scientist's will have the last laugh, unfortunately it will be bittersweet.

NASA and NOAA were caught falsifying temp data back to 2002. Hottest year of record is 1936. AGW is a hoax.

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[NCTribute]

NASA and NOAA were caught falsifying temp data back to 2002. Hottest year of record is 1936. AGW is a hoax.

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One or two examples do not change the huge volume of evidence that our oceans are in trouble. Do not think they had the problems with plastic before that are occurring now. As to the comments on sea level change, yes they have fluctuated with time, but also remember that humans have only been present for a very short period of the earth's life, how is that for using your noggin?

 

[OptiMystic]

NASA and NOAA were caught falsifying temp data back to 2002. Hottest year of record is 1936. AGW is a hoax.

Sources? I know there was a flap or two where some scientists were caught padding their numbers in some very specific cases, but I have not seen anything credible about a systemic falsification. It would have to be a lot more pervasive than just those 2 agencies, BTW. Data collected worldwide shows the same patterns consistently. The EU seems to be taking it more seriously than we are and they aren't just using our data. It's about averages, not extremes. Extremes are anomalous by nature. 9 of the 10 hottest years on record have occurred since 2000. Trend?

EDIT - I have seen a few viral stories that attempt to discredit NOAA and NASA. No argument against the existence of the problem can get any traction if you accept the numbers that they and others consistently measure.

 

[mrpossumtail]

NASA and NOAA were caught falsifying temp data back to 2002. Hottest year of record is 1936. AGW is a hoax.
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Prove it. You have no viable sources

 

[papadave]

One day there was a preacher giving his sermon when all of a sudden it started raining really hard! After about an hour of non-stop rain, the congregation started evacuating the church because the whole church was flooding. But the preacher just stood there in the ankle-deep water. A guy in a car drove up to him and yelled. "Preacher, Preacher you better get in here before you drown!" But the preacher just replied "Don't worry God will save me." The man then said "Whatever!" and drove away.
The water was now knee-deep and a guy in a raft came over to the Preacher and said "Preacher, Preacher you better get in here before you drown!" Despite the second warning the Preacher just stood there and replied "Don't worry God will save me." The man then said "Whatever!!" and rowed away in the orange raft. The water was now waist-deep and a guy in a power boat came to the Preacher and said "Preacher, Preacher you better get in here before you drown!" Despite the third warning the Preacher just stood there and replied "Don't worry God will save me." With that the man said "Whatever!" and jetted away in the power boat.
Finally the water was now neck-deep and a guy in a helicopter came and said "Preacher, Preacher you better get in here before you drown!" The man still just stood there and replied "Don't worry God will save me." And with that the man said "Whatever" and flew away. The water then got so deep that the Preacher was sucked under and drown. When he opened his eyes he realised that he had died and gone to heaven. He then saw God and asked with great concern "God! Why didn't you save me from that horrible flood?!?"
God replied, " I sent you a car, a raft, a power boat, and a helicopter! What else did you want me to do?!"

 

[Calabash513]

Sources? I know there was a flap or two where some scientists were caught padding their numbers in some very specific cases, but I have not seen anything credible about a systemic falsification. It would have to be a lot more pervasive than just those 2 agencies, BTW. Data collected worldwide shows the same patterns consistently. The EU seems to be taking it more seriously than we are and they aren't just using our data. It's about averages, not extremes. Extremes are anomalous by nature. 9 of the 10 hottest years on record have occurred since 2000. Trend?

Google it. Numerous different sources. EU has no good intentions for the US. I believe nothing they say on the subject. Like I said the temp data was falsified from 2000 to now. I'd say that is quite a trend.

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[OptiMystic]

Google it. Numerous different sources. EU has no good intentions for the US. I believe nothing they say on the subject. Like I said the temp data was falsified from 2000 to now. I'd say that is quite a trend.

I find almost all sources lead back to one - Steven Goddard

I don't find his posts and articles to be very credible. Your still not addressing why the numbers line up with observations made by others around the world.

 

[papadave]

https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome-psyapi2&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8&q=big foot sightings